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KonVicT *G* schreef op 17 juli 2011 14:57 :
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het schijnt dat als de balastingen maar iets verhoogd worden in amerika dat die hele schuld geen probleem meer is omdat het zoveel geld op levert. Ik zeg doen!
ALS het al zoveel geld oplevert is dat minder beschikbaar voor consumptieve doeleinden. Op KT voor de economie niet gunstig, op LT wel.
mvliex 1 schreef op 17 juli 2011 15:12 :
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ALS het al zoveel geld oplevert is dat minder beschikbaar voor consumptieve doeleinden. Op KT voor de economie niet gunstig, op LT wel.
dat zeker. Je kan beter voor een gezond lt perspectief gaan dan voor een gezond kt perspectief.
KonVicT *G* schreef op 17 juli 2011 15:59 :
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dat zeker. Je kan beter voor een gezond lt perspectief gaan dan voor een gezond kt perspectief.
Wacht effe hoor, die ongezonde amerikaanse economie bestaat voor 70% uit consumptie... Dus belastingverhoging heeft relatief veel invloed op GDP. Dus ik denk dat dit fabeltje vies tegen valt :-(
mvliex 1 schreef op 17 juli 2011 10:17 :
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Niemand maar dan ook niemand kan precies de gevolgen berekenen hiervan, net zomin als niemand in geld kan aangeven wat er gebeurd zou zijn als QE2 er niet was geweest. Valt wel perfect in de grote rij van postings hier van wellicht, zou kunnen, als .. dan, eventueel, etc.
;-)
Vliex je bent wat vergeten; daar ben je ook fan om dat elke keer te herhalen hier op deze draad ;-) Maybe, maybe not, could be etc... ;-)
Why Goldman Sachs Just Downgraded The US Economy The ugly data is back.www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs...
The Economics Of Contagion: 5 Ways The PIIGS Virus Spreads From Country To Country European leaders still don't get the basic.www.businessinsider.com/5-ways-the-eu...
Mon-E-Man schreef op 17 juli 2011 16:46 :
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Vliex je bent wat vergeten; daar ben je ook fan om dat elke keer te herhalen hier op deze draad ;-)
Maybe, maybe not, could be etc... ;-)
Sorry, wist niet dat je het niet zou herkennen in het Nederlands. ;-)
mvliex 1 schreef op 17 juli 2011 17:37 :
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Sorry, wist niet dat je het niet zou herkennen in het Nederlands.
;-)
Je hoeft daar geen sorry voor te zeggen hoor, wel aardig natuurlijk... Beter is het als je de volgende keer iets creatiever bent en minder in herhaling valt... ;-)) En dat kan jij! Zet 'm op Vliex, you can do it!
JOHN MAULDIN: The Truth About America's Gigantic Deficit Mess To Come Read more: www.businessinsider.com/john-mauldin-...
Mon-E-Man schreef op 17 juli 2011 21:33 :
Complete US Debt Talks Update
www.zerohedge.com/article/complete-us... Kun je hier niet eens normale berichten plaatsen? Het is nu de ene link na de andere..
mps schreef op 17 juli 2011 21:37 :
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Kun je hier niet eens normale berichten plaatsen?
Het is nu de ene link na de andere..
Nogmaals en ik hoop dat die grijze cellen van je het kunnen bevatten, zint het je niet;je bent niet verplicht om dit te lezen.En het is wel heel arrogant om te denken dat je hier mensen de mond kunt snoeren.Vind je zelf ook niet? Want dat vind ik niet normaal. Fijne avond verder!
The US Economy Is Extremely Vulnerable To Recession in 2011www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-...
Mon-E-Man schreef op 17 juli 2011 17:00 :
Why Goldman Sachs Just Downgraded The US Economy
The ugly data is back.
www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs... goldman sachs is zojuist flink short gegaan, nou dan weet je het wel, lekker alles en iedereen kapot maken en doem verspreiden voor nog meer winst ten koste van anderen.
The Latest Look At The "Real" Mega-Bears How we stack up to 1929 and the Nikkei bust.www.businessinsider.com/the-mega-bear...
Mon-E-Man schreef op 17 juli 2011 17:00 :
Why Goldman Sachs Just Downgraded The US Economy
The ugly data is back.
www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs... Sorry, oud nieuws maar ook hier geldt dat minder groei nog steeds groei is. Het leuke aan dit bericht is echter dat de voorspeller zijn eerdere voorspellingen bijstelt dus waarom zou deze dat over 'tig' maanden niet weer doen omdat hij er weer naast zit, welke kant dan ook op? ;-)
Mon-E-Man schreef op 17 juli 2011 22:59 :
The Latest Look At The "Real" Mega-Bears
How we stack up to 1929 and the Nikkei bust.
www.businessinsider.com/the-mega-bear... The Latest Look At The "Real " Mega-Bears!
Republican Senator Tom Coburn said he will unveil a plan tomorrow that would cut $9 trillion from the federal budget over the next 10 years in an effort to curb spending and avoid a default on U.S. debt. While he said he doesn’t expect his plan to pass Congress, it would offer a wide range of spending cuts and revenue increases that could be used as the basis for bipartisan negotiations on a budget compromise. “We have $9 trillion worth of savings that are achievable over the next ten years,” Coburn said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” program. “Pick half of them. Half of them solve our problems.” With Washington deadlocked on a strategy to cut spending and raise the nation’s borrowing limit before an Aug. 2 deadline, the Oklahoma Republican said he will offer a 10-year plan that cuts defense by $1 trillion, makes changes to Social Security and Medicare, and raises $1 trillion through changes in the tax code, among other things. Some Republicans, including Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona, have resisted any talk of tax increases as part of a budget deal. “We should focus on the real problem, the spike in spending, and not this phony problem of taxes,” Kyl said on ABC’s “This Week” program. Tax Loopholes Yet Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said today he would consider closing tax loopholes “like the ethanol subsidy” to boost revenue as part of a budget deal. “I would be willing to close loopholes and put some of the money on debt retirement, but I will only do that in the context of a serious plan to balance the budget,” Graham said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” Coburn’s push to cut defense by $1 trillion over 10 years is likely to draw opposition. President Barack Obama has called for cutting military spending by $400 billion over 12 years, while rejecting an earlier proposal for a $1 trillion cut as excessive. “I think we need to cut defense, but as commander in chief I’ve got to make sure that we’re cutting it in a way that recognizes we’re still in the middle of a war,” Obama said at a July 15 news conference. ‘Not Super Hard’ Coburn said a $1 trillion cut to defense over a decade “is difficult, but it’s not super hard.” Coburn’s plan also would cut almost $2 trillion in non- defense discretionary spending over 10 years, while raising about $1 trillion in new revenue by cutting or eliminating tax breaks and loopholes by about 10 percent, according to a congressional aide. Coburn said his plan, if enacted in its entirety, would save $1 trillion in interest payments over the next nine years. The White House, meanwhile, is continuing to reach out to lawmakers in both parties this weekend in search of a deficit- cutting deal as the default deadline looms. “I think there’s still time to get something big done,” said Jack Lew, the White House director of the Office of Management and Budget, on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The question is, do we have a partner to work with? And I hope the answer to that is yes,” Lew added. No Alternative Treasury Department officials continue to reject suggestions they could prioritize payments and insist there are no alternatives to raising the debt limit, a Treasury official said today. About $90 billion in debt matures on Aug. 4 and more than $30 billion in interest comes due Aug. 15, said the official, who declined to be identified because the department’s discussions aren’t public. Overall, more than $500 billion matures in August. White House spokesman Dan Pfeiffer said on Twitter that President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and other White House officials were discussing “various options” with lawmakers throughout the day yesterday. Republican House Speaker John Boehner is “keeping the lines of communication open,” said his spokesman, Mike Steel. But Steel couldn’t offer assurances that a deal will be reached soon. “Conversations have continued throughout the weekend, but there is no news or progress to report,” Steel said by e-mail today. Fallback Plan In the Senate, a fallback plan by Minority Leader Mitch McConnell that allows the president to unilaterally raise the debt limit is moving ahead. McConnell and Majority Leader Harry Reid this weekend are negotiating changes to his proposal, with a goal of putting a measure before the Senate as early as Wednesday, said a Senate Democratic aide. The two are still discussing ways to alter McConnell’s complex proposal, which would let the president raise the ceiling on borrowing authority by $2.5 trillion by the end of 2012 with support of just over one-third of the members of each chamber. Coburn said today he is “unlikely” to support such a plan because it doesn’t cut spending enough. “A $2 trillion package will do nothing to reassure the world economic community that we get it,” he said, adding any deal must include at least $4 trillion of cuts. Graham said he also would resist the McConnell-Reid stopgap measure. He said on CNN he “doesn’t have any confidence” that the proposal of the Senate leaders “is going to lead to the solutions that we need.” Tough Votes McConnell wants the increase in the debt limit to occur in three stages, forcing Democrats to take a series of tough votes before next year’s elections. Democrats are seeking to reduce the number of debt-limit votes to two, and they are also pushing to include caps on discretionary spending over the next two years, the aide said. Such caps would help forestall repeats of the government shutdown battle that dominated Congress for much of this year for the remainder of Obama’s term. McConnell and Reid are nearing agreement on a new joint congressional committee on deficit reduction that would be included in the plan, the aide said. The bipartisan panel would have eight or 12 members, and would make recommendations as early as next year on a broad plan to curb record-high deficits. The plan it produces that would be protected from a Senate filibuster and couldn’t be amended, protections similar to those offered a commission that has recommended military base closures, the aide said. While the two Senate leaders are continuing to discuss a package of $1 trillion to $1.5 trillion in spending cuts that could be attached to the legislation, it is unclear whether the package will be agreed to when the measure is introduced, the aide said. To contact the reporter on this story: David Lerman in Washington at Dlerman1@bloomberg.net. To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Silva at msilva34@bloomberg.net .
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